Tulpa.info - metaphysics

Awwwwww!!

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I'll look at it anyway just in case

Better safe than sorry!

Yup!

Well...you know...all works of fiction must stand upon the truth in order to create a solid work of art; Truth is a stable base upon which one can build works of fiction. So by consuming works of fiction one might find grains of truth that they can apply to their own lives. If nothing else perhaps you'll find inspiration for a methodology you are familiar with.

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even if they can magically not rely on oxygen, that wouldn't actually allow them to hold their breath for longer because the urge to breathe after holding your breath doesn't come from a lack of oxygen, but an increase in carbon dioxide, so it would also need to be able to magically lower carbon dioxide levels in the blood or else it would feel like they were suffocating even if they weren't actually

To be fair, it didn't specify they would feel like they were able to breath, only that they could hold their breath for longer, so that all would fit into the description even if that's probably not what the author intended

maybe if they hyperventilate beforehand to lower the carbon dioxide in their blood then they will be able to hold their breath for longer. in real life sometimes people hyperventilate before holding their breath to hold their breath longer, and it works, but it also often results in them passing out because hyperventilating doesn't actually increase the oxygen, it just decreases the carbon dioxide, but since these people don't need to have oxygen, it would be fine

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Send this conversation to the people writing the book and maybe this will become a little detail in it somewhere

lol

Is this the correct place to talk about Anima and Animus?

More than like, yeah, delta

The anima animus topic is interesting to me. Would love to open that silo.

6:20 AM

I have a female tup and she claims that she models herself on my anima but also claims that she can't model herself perfectly on it because then she would lose her individuality, plus it is impossible to be perfect.

Sometimes, I feel like Lamu is kind of like my Anima of which she is reflective on those traits and almost like a reflection of myself.

Pls do explain anima/animus?

@Unfastened Belts an anima / Animus is the embodiment of traits from the opposite sex.

Ohhhh

3:14 PM

Literally all tulpas

look into Jungian psychology in regards to anima/animus

1:20 AM

its well known to the point where most singlets I talk to about Tulpamancy instantly mention it because it's a rather well known and loved psychological model.

1:20 AM

even if it is debated

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its valuable in the tulpa discussion

1:21 AM

anima/animus as far as I can recall; the perfect representation of one's-Self manifested in the opposite energy. Mostly seen in the physical form as an intimidating opposite gender entity in recurring dreams or psychedelic experiences

1:22 AM

Reading my above interpretation, it is clear why my Tulpa claims she cannot model herself perfectly on my anima. She has even met my Anima in a dream with me and she was rather jealous of her.

1:23 AM

Anyone have any experiences with their anima/animus or any more tulpas have ideas on it?

http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decide

Brain Scans Can Reveal Your Decisions 7 Seconds Before You “Decide”...

In a kind of spooky experiment, scientists at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences reveal that our decisions are made seconds before we become aware of them. In the study, participants could freely decide if they wanted to press a button with their r...

How is that meta?

5:35 PM

I'd be curious how it would go if the subject was doing a more complex task, where there is very little time to make the decision (like playing a video game?). 7 seconds is a lot, but if you're doing nothing but sitting thinking about when to push the button, I could see it being primed well ahead of time.

How is that meta?

Ties in with the subject for which I've been hijacking this channel

(Happiness being available in the form of peace of mind as a result of recognizing you're not the doer of your thoughts, actions and decisions)

How's your philosophy going for you, are you happy?

Much more so than I was two years ago, but the process is definitely still ongoing

5:44 PM

When unhappiness kicks in, I'm almost immediately conscious of it now as "oh right, this is just dysfunctional thought"

5:45 PM

I realize this might sound pretentious to people who aren't (consciously) spiritual seekers, but the process is known to be very gradual, since it's trying to undo the conditioning of (at least!) a lifetime (edited)

5:46 PM

For my "teacher" the process took about five years

I recently (re)watched a video called "how to stop thinking" and I'm considering being more mindful of how present I am, whether I'm blathering on to myself about negative or pointless things, and I could see it being helpful (edited)

Yeah

5:48 PM

Recognizing that unhappiness is always the result of a certain type of thinking, never the result of circumstance, is a biiiig step

I'm still not sure how to handle, well, needing to do things I really don't want to do

Not to sound preachy (as I'm sure I always do, anyways)

5:50 PM

But there's nothing you can do to end unhappiness. If there was, all of us would be at peace already

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All you can do is watch it when it happens

5:50 PM

The more conscious you are of the processes, the less energy feeds into them

I'm sure Barry Long (the guy who did that video I mentioned) would say to just act and not think about how I feel about it. But it's so easy to procrastinate unpleasant tasks

Procrastination happens. You can't flip a switch and suddenly stop procrastinating. It's how life has designed and conditioned you up to that point in time

"easy" is the wrong word maybe, easier to avoid the task than to do it, but not doing the task stresses me out anyway

Yeah exactly. Procrastination isn't the problem

5:53 PM

Feeling guilty about procrastination is the problem

Well, not getting the thing done is the problem

(Just to clarify, when I say "problem", what I mean is "the root of our psychological unhappiness". Procrastinating can be a problem on a circumstantial level, of course)

5:54 PM

Not getting it done can cause you circumstantial pain

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Pain is not what makes you uncomfortable with life

I shouldn't (yeah yeah) be in a state where I just leave things and never do them, because I can absolutely do that if I let myself

The bracket

5:55 PM

if I let myself

You can't choose your mindset

5:56 PM

Not doing things = circumstantial pain "I should be different so I can do things" = expectation (unhappiness)

5:57 PM

The sense that the way I function is invalid

5:57 PM

That I should function in a way that leads to more pleasure, less pain

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That I'm "broken" because I procrastinate

I can change my mindset of "I really don't want to do X" and finally get X done

Your mindset changes, as a result of life happening

6:02 PM

If it was really you who could change your mindset, why would you ever have procrastinated in the first place?

The internal environment of my mind is also part of life happening, so I can influence myself that way

6:04 PM

And sometimes I don't procrastinate in the first place

The internal environment of my mind is also part of life happening, so I can influence myself that way

That's true

6:05 PM

The key is to see when procrastination does happen, it's not because you choose to procrastinate

6:05 PM

Or at least to recognize that this perspective "I could choose not to procrastinate, but I suck too much" is the unhappiness

External deadlines are really important for me, I need that external pressure. When there's ambiguity or the deadline is optional/fuzzy that's when the procrastination gets out of hand for me

I know I probably sound annoying, feel free to tell me to shut up, but I'll just reiterate what the description says Procrastination getting out of hand = circumstantial pain "I'm choosing to procrastinate, meaning that I'm insufficient" = psychological unhappiness

6:10 PM

This belief system about how I, you, and life in general, could and should be different

Sometimes it's not about happiness or unhappiness...

6:13 PM

My goal isn't to feel happy while still procrastinating lol

True

6:14 PM

Yeah. Like I've said, this description does not to tell you to stop working towards pleasant circumstance

6:14 PM

If you find yourself able to circumvent painful circumstance, by any means, go for it!

Yeah, I'd still like to try Barry Long's approach of just not thinking/feeling about the task and just acting instead. That'll probably be a gradual process to change

6:15 PM

That includes not beating myself up for failures

6:15 PM

Which I try not to do anyway

Once someone called into my teacher's Zoom seminar and kept asking questions about "how can I become more efficient at managing my time, how can I bring myself to get up in the morning" etc, and when none of his answers hit home and the person kept asking the same thing, finally my teacher said "this is not a time management seminar"

haha

If you find yourself unable to accept the fact that you're procrastinating, this teaching can't resonate

6:19 PM

And so a more practical description of how to avoid procrastination may be more appropriate

The thing is your philosophy mostly seems to be, don't change, just feel better about what you're already doing anyway

Yes and no

6:22 PM

(Again I realize this is gonna sound pretentious) The teaching realizes that telling someone "don't change, just feel better" is not something that works

6:22 PM

What it says instead is "change will happen, or it won't; you'll feel better, or you won't"

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It's really not a prescription of how to act/feel (edited)

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It's just a description of what happiness turns out to be in the end

6:23 PM

Not pleasure, or the absence of pain, but peace of mind

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But that's not something we as a "doer" can bring about

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Life has to change us, like it always has

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Hearing a description that says (un)happiness is completely unrelated to circumstance just happens to be a tried and proven way for life to bring about this change

6:24 PM

Looking at life from a different perspective than we're used to, as a result of hearing descriptions like this

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If we're at a stage where this seems completely inaccurate, and there is a strong sense that our happiness is connected with circumstance, the teaching simply can't resonate

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But we might remember it later on, and it may become relevant

6:28 PM

For me, when I first came across this teaching, I was exactly in the right time and space for it

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It hit home so strongly

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"This makes so much sense"

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Two years later and I still feel that this is the best description words can offer

something something the kingdom of heaven is within